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Honda Civic

 

So I will start off my rock posts by looking at the Honda Civic. I guess one could say that the Honda Civic is a love it or hate it kind of car. They have a reputation for being “ricer burners”, this was one of the terms that the rival gang in Gran Torino used. They are also extremely reliable and economic. Some Civic’s from the late 80′s and early 90′s still get better gas mileage than a Prius. For somebody looking to get into modifying cars, they are easy to work on and parts come relatively cheap. We saw one in Gran Torino; it was driven by Thao’s cousin Spider. It had a spoiler on the trunk, the rear of the car sits much lower than the front (implying blown shocks or cut springs), and it has a black hood. This in itself is a stereotype of Honda Civics, not to mention that it was driven by an Asian American gang. But to really understand all of this, I must go deeper.

There has been a history of tension between American car companies and their employees, and Japanese car companies and the people who support them. With the fear of Asian Americans taking the jobs from the middle class white workers, the tension could become quite deep seated. Not only were the Ford, GM, Chevy, etc. employees still harboring anti-Asian beliefs, but the opposing Japanese car companies took more business from the American companies as well. While the Japanese cars were gaining popularity due to their efficiency and affordability, those who backed the American companies continued to protest the Japanese car companies. Honda was a leading car company for a long portion of time and their flagship model was the Honda Civic. Eventually, Civics could be seen in any city around the country. This popularity acted as another physical manifestation of the idea that the “Oriental pollution” was coming to the states. Civics, as well as pretty much any car made by Japanese companies, became a vessel for these racist beliefs. With the emergence of the term “ricer” spawned another struggle for Asian Americans.

 

Above are two memes that show an example of some typical “ricer” jokes. The term goes hand in hand with people who modify their cars in ways that seem useless and are incorrect. The Camaro, which is a popular American muscle car, in the first picture is equipped with a large, gaudy body kit and Lamborghini style doors. These mods do not make a car perform any better and are simply exterior modifications. So it is fairly easy to see why somebody might make fun of somebody else for building a car in a way that they feel is amateur. But, that is only scratching the surface. The word “ricer” does not just mean that a car is amateur, it has quite the racist connection as well.

Rice is the base word of the term “ricer” and it is used because the cars are Japanese, and everybody in Asia eats rice; right? And if you are Asian American, you must drive a “rice burner” right? Because that’s all you people do is farm rice and drive stupid cars, right? So now anything related to rice is funny, right? Rice burner, ricer, ricer boy, rice rocket? That is what the term carries along with it. It is another outlet for racism and it is even equipped with a “shield” meaning in case anybody tries to bring that up.

So what does somebody mean when they say “ricer”?

When somebody is calling out a car as a “ricer”, they are saying multiple things. First off, they are looking down on the car and its driver because it is an import, not domestic. More specifically, that it is imported from Japan most likely. They are expressing their disapproval of the car, the driver, and how the driver modified the car. But, what kind of driver is it? The automatic assumption is Asian and can even be linked to gangsters, hoodlums, or delinquents. So the word is used in many different situations and carries several meanings. It also has a circular nature to it. For example, if an Asian-American is seen driving a Toyota, somebody might assume that person driving the Toyota must race since they look to be Asian and are driving a “ricer”, even if the car is not modified and the person has no interest in racing.

This isn’t the first time food has been used as a racial slur but since it is linked to cars, it has the perfect cover to allow the continued use of the word. Now, people within any car scene are usually familiar with the term ricer. Some people even try to claim that they are not racist by distinctly saying that when they say “ricer” they are referring to a poorly built car, not a Japanese car. There is even a whole movement that has been started called Rice Killers and it’s main goal is “uniting imports and domestics against rice!”. It is backed by a forum and has grown to a point where they are making profit by setting up car events and selling merchandise. It seems that they forgot to realize that they are still using the term “ricer” which is demeaning in and of itself. In a failed attempt to end the dispute between imports and domestics, Rice Killers has done nothing but promote the use of the word and all the others that go along with it.

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So I guess if you take a word with a racist meaning and background, and claim that it is actually just an acronym for something not racist, it is totally okay to continue using the word….. R.I.C.E. isn’t any different than rice; they both say rice. If somebody were to come up with an acronym for O.R.I.E.N.T.A.L. it would not get rid of the word’s history, intent, or meaning. Rice is another way to create distance and promote that Asian is synonymous with alien. He NATURALLY thought that “ricer” meant a Japanese car. And yet, he thinks that it’s possible to take the same word, create an acronym out of it, and say that it means idiot. It seems to me that it is just another method to link a negative word like idiot to the list of other things that “ricer” connects to. It links things like poverty, gangs, and stupidity to Asian Americans and tries to hide behind an “innocent” target of ugly cars.

The last meme shows a picture of a group of Mustangs, another iconic American muscle car, rolling down the highway. The caption says FEAR …. we can smell it ricer boy. This can literally be seen as a group of big, strong American men hunting down a small, weak Asian boy. As disgusting as that is, the word “ricer” continues to have some sort of immunity. While movies like the popular Fast and Furious series can promote the Japanese car culture here in America, they can also  perpetuate the use of “ricer” even further.

I hope that this has been an informative post. I am open to any criticism towards my post, writing style, content, anything you can think of. I will end it with a few pictures of Civics modified to different tastes. Unlike the hatred for Civics in America, in Japan there are entire racing series based around Civics alone.

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Orientals 1

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“In its ruling, the court recognized the fact that some Asians, including Ozawa, were of a paler hue than many European immigrants already accepted into the nation as ‘White.’ Race, … . being of Japanese ‘blood,’ could not claim to be white, no matter how white his skin”(Lee,p2)

I quote this because I have never thought that Asians have yellow color faces….. But according to this quotation, Yellow means blood and race… Yellow is sometimes used for caution or warning by dangerous.

 “Much as the ‘anomalous’ condition of ‘free’ persons of color in New England at the beginning of the nineteenth century constituted for whites the negative meaning of their blackness, … , and the Chinese were constructed as pollutants.” (Lee,p31)

In my understanding, before Chinese came to the US for gold rush, they were seen as foreigner and their culture were seen as new things for Americans, but after gold rush, they were seen as strangers with different faces and races. So criticism was mounting over Chinese labor immigrants. In the quotation, “pollutants” is used as if Chinese were poison against Americans.

 

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“Furthermore, … ., menial and heavy tasks became identified with racially subordinated peoples. Such heavy work at subsistence wage was deemed suitable for freed Balcks and Chinese or morally degraded ‘white trash’.”(Lee, p57)

 This quotation says that sweated or heavy works fitted on Blacks, Chinese, and ‘White trash’ who did not have skills. Of course, the wages for those works were lower than other jobs needed knowledge or technique. Thus, the employers  made a good use of  unskilled people with cheaper wages. According to the same page, surprisingly, the wages for Irish and Chinese immigrant day labors were cheaper than enslaved Africans having skills. The wages were  set by skills and races at that time.

“……the Chinese represented a third sex – an alternative or imagined sexuality that was potentially subversive and disruptive to the emergent heterosexual orthodoxy.”(Lee, p88)

“The Oriental in America could be imaged as an erotic threat to domestic tranquillity for two related reason.”(Lee, p88)

 These reasons are interesting for me. Because more than 10,000 Chinese women were brought to the United States as prostitutes, Americans saw the Chinese as odd. In addition, Americans viewed Chinese men as evils toward White women because Americans thought thousands of Chinese immigrant men who worked as household servants threatened White women. I feel like ‘third sex’ is very strange and weird word. Chinese were no longer seen either as female or male.

 

 

 

 

Book Impressions/Connections: “Orientals” pt1

Reading through Robert G. Lee’s book on Asian Americans in Popular Culture, I’ve been thinking a lot about connections. Some obvious, some less so– all filtered and framed through my love of music and film. Reviewing my reading log for the chapters three and four, there are several notes labeled “connections.”  Here then, is a sample of those notes along with some of the connections I made.

“The ethnic stratification of the labor market and the radicalization of class struggle resulted from the massive wave of immigration to America between 1840-1850, the emancipation of souther slaves in the wake of the Civil War” (pg53).

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1989 Fall of the Berlin Wall

This Reminded of a similar situation be it on a smaller scale, of what happened in Germany when the USSR collapsed and the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. I was stationed in the Benelux at the time, and witnessed the celebrations and contentions.  Initially nearly everyone in Germany celebrated the fall of the USSR and the wall with a warm acceptance of the East Germans as they flowed into the West. Shortly thereafter unemployment rates grew however, tensions flared and resentment festered for years after. Once the dust settled there was a clear sense of us and them.

Chapter Three talks a lot about “coolie labor” (menial) and “free labor” (craftsmen). The idea that the collie labor was reserved for the Chinese, while the crafts-type work became somewhat nostalgic and the realm of the white-worker. Considering this was in the mid/late 1800s, it is surprising to see these portrayals continue today in some rather unexpected ways. To connect it with my Rock subject, the world of guitars provides a good example of this. For instance, Gibson Guitars has two distinct product lines: US made Gibson guitars, and their imported Epiphone guitars.

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The US line is presented as an “…ambitious quest to recapture the craftsmanship, performance and quality of an area that had passed…” Their vision is firmly fixed in the nostalgic (with rare occasions of exploration in modern technology) and their guitars– the Les Paul model for example– start at $2,000 and skyrocket from there. The Epiphone Les Pauls are imported from several Asian countries; China, Korea and Indonesia to name a few. The price of these new typically run between $200 – $600. The US made versions are hailed as the “holy grail,” of the craft, while their imported cousins are thought of by many as comparatively inferior, low-quality beginner guitars.

One last connection I’ll mention here was hard to miss:

“In the popular press, many a political cartoonist portrayed the stereotyped Irish Mike or Paddy as ape-like, with hideous low brow and jutting lower jaw. Such simian images of the Irish immigrant were as commonplace as similar subhuman images of the Chinese and the African American…” (pg86).

This reads like a page directly from the National Socialist German Workers Party of the 1930s; a title reminiscent of the Workingman’s Party of California the author mentions in this context on page 62; ideologies from 1876 mirroring those of the 1930s.

My notebook is filled with connections similar to those mentioned above; some more direct than others, but all are tied with one common thread; anytime groups of people gather, subgroups emerge, leaders rise, and injustice follows. Carl Marx had an optimistic vision of communism where the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie cease to exist:

“Following the proletariats’ defeat of capitalism, a new classless society would emerge based on the idea: ‘from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs’. In such a society, land, industry, labour and wealth would be shared between all people. All people would have the right to an education, and class structures would disappear. Harmony would reign, and the state would simply ‘wither away’” (British Library)

The fatal flaw of course as I mentioned above, is that of group dynamics. History provides example after example of Marx’s failed manifesto time and time again. Leaders will always rise up and assume power which eventually leads to history’s truth that, “Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it.” 

 

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The Debut

Is it considered cultural erasure if a child can’t speak a language that his parents speak fluently? This is something that I’ve wondered for a long time. In an attempt to “Americanize” my mother, my grandparents  refused to teach her German. Later in life they would often have full conversations in German with my mother in the room, whenever they were discussing something they didn’t want her to know about. As a child she only knew what she referred to as “mom phrases”, things like “sit still”, “behave”, “don’t be naughty/bad”, and, a more random one, “washrag”. Watching this movie reminded me a great deal of that. Later in life, my mother was unable to recognize the pride people felt for their heritage, because she was always taught to be ashamed of her own. I felt like the situation was somewhat similar for Ben, even if his apparent shame at his heritage was something he was taught culturally as opposed to from his family.

There was a pretty interesting  example of racism in the film between Filipino and Japanese people. They were discussing cars, and one of the characters questioned why they were bothering to buy parts from Japanese car makers, when the Japanese had killed so many Filipino during WWII.

One of the reasons liked this movie is because of the general length of time to it. A lot of movies that we’ve seen as a class so far have been about this slow coming to terms with who you are and what you feel. This is realistic in a sense, but I enjoyed that the movie also explored different aspects of this. Though rare, occasionally people have days where the pieces fall into place, and though it’s not immediate, they gain a better understanding of just who they are and how the world connects to them. I loved that Ben put this new-found understanding into his art and used it as a way to make his father better realize the things he wanted in life.

As an aside, I was looking at Dante Basco’s wikipedia page to see if he had been in another movie I’d seen not long ago, But I’m a Cheerleader, and it said that in The Debut he played alongside his three brothers, as well as his sister. I’ve never been very good at paying attention to credits after films, but I thought that was pretty cool.

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Gran Torino

For the duration of the film, I had this overwhelming sense that the dog, Daisy, would die at some point. I felt that this would be the key redemption point for the main character, and it would teach him to appreciate people regardless of their race.

I was extremely wrong about it. Walt still had a redemption of sorts, but Daisy was fine, driving off into the metaphorical sunset with Thao. I spent the duration of the film feeling very little empathy for Walt, and rightly so, given his unpleasant demeanor and attitude.

Walt didn’t become less racist as he became close with Thao’s family. He was still mean and unpleasant, but I do believe he became a little more human in his interactions with them. And of course, we have Daisy, one of his main humanizing factors. Daisy is with him at all times, Walt sees her judging him for smoking in the bathroom, and before Walt leaves, he makes sure that she’s in a safe place, much to her discontent. Daisy represented the missing influence that his wife may have had in his life.

At the end of the movie, however, I was genuinely surprised by Walt’s choices. He did the best thing he could have done, which was make sure that Thao didn’t get involved in his suicide mission, thereby saving his life. In this he also made sure that Thao didn’t see him being gunned down. Not only that, but he made sure Thao’s cousins went to jail, and that they would (hopefully never) hurt someone again.

This film was a lot different than what I was originally expecting. I’m still getting used to the idea of the “white savior complex” in films, as it was something that was only introduced to me a year or two ago, and I’m on the fence about whether or not this film falls under that classification. What do you all think?

Reading-Orientals

This book Orientals. Okay this book was something else when I read it, but one part gave me the chills. This sentence on page 2 of the introduction. “Race is a mode of placing cultural meaning on the body.” I was replaying that sentence back and forth in mind before  going on and was wondering to myself is this true? I thought yes it is, but want to know do people think of it in this context. I do, but I never thought it would be in a published book about Asian Americans and related to this subject of race. This really showed me that race is a sacred and should be appreciated not to go against it. Everyone should love everyone no matter what the color of their skin is. This book throughout reading gave me a perspective of that Asian Americans that were here have just as much right to be here as we do and it would be a disgrace to repeat any past actions of discrimination, racism or any other dislike to a race, but even today racism and discrimination of race is still practiced and just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean its not happening. Reading the rest of these books I know that I will find out about all the other races that may have or still are being in the same predicament as the Asian Americans were and maybe still to this day. I mean I can’t say myself because myself is not Asian American, but from a African American stand point there is still racism going on today. I’ve seen it and its horrible to watch. You would think that after all that’s happened that we just be at peace, but no. I believe in this world all the blood that’s been shed, all the empires been invaded and all the races been at each others throats, there will never be peace in this world to me.

The Debut

“Wake up Ben! you’re just as brown as the rest of us.”

This quote struck out to me because I think so many minorities deal with this while living in America. Moreover, as we have seen during fall quarter and so far in this quarter, Asian American’s, more specifically Japanese American’s struggled with embracing both of their identities of being both Japanese and American. This is clear throughout the film with Ben as well, he is Filipino and also American, however, he tries to hide his Filipino culture as much as possible. It’s important to never forget your roots and where you came from which is what his older sister was trying to help him see.

The importance of family is another key aspect throughout the film that Ben finally begins to realize towards the end of the film. We see this at his sister’s party and how his white friends were so interested in his culture. I think he is surprised about how interested they are and realizes that family is very important. This also reminds me of last quarter with Japanese Americans always being able to count on their family and look to family in crucial times of need. So far we have seen that family is extremely important in the Asian culture. In addition, I think for all minorities, we see how truly important it is that we hold our family sacred to our hearts because of everything minorities have been through. That is one thing we have in common. We can always look to our families for support and as a remembrance of our roots. Because during the times that some experience the challenges in dealing with identity issues, when white America pulls those away from their roots, it is important to always look back to our family as a reminder of where we are from.

There is also a connection in Gran Torino with family. We see how Walt learns the importance of family through another family that is not even his and that is also an Asian family. Although Walt has pre judgments because of his experience in the Korean war, as he starts to learn more about Thao’s family, he begins to appreciate his own family much more. For instance, he tries to call his son and reconnect with him. Moreover, at the end of the movie he sacrifices his life for Thao and his family.

One thing that caught my attention right from the beginning of the film The Debut was that I noticed that three of the films we have watched so far have all had the main character’s name the same of  Ben. I wondered why the name Ben is so popularly used for Asian American actors.

From the beginning of the film, it is clear that Ben is ashamed of his Filipino family and attempts to fit in with white/western American culture as much as possible. For instance, he hangs out with his two white friends as much as possible and at the beginning he is embarrassed and does not want to let them in his home. Throughout the film, we see that he continues to struggle with this because he is constantly trying to avoid spending time with his family and is always fighting with his father and/or having issues with his sister. Moreover, Ben struggles because he is resisting what his family expects from him because his dream is to go to school for art yet his father pushes him along with other members to go to medical school and to be a doctor. It’s obvious that Ben does not understand why his father calls him spoiled throughout the movie because he does not realize that his father made a sacrifice of his dreams to be the father that he needed to be and take care of more important responsibilities such as raising his family.

The generation gap between Ben and his parents, mainly his father, demonstrates that he has a difficult time accepting his family and his identity because he does not know his native language very well unlike all his other family members. As he meets other Filipino’s he starts to realize he needs to become more in touch with his roots. I do believe his white friends helped him to be able to see this as well as his mother and his sister and in the end, he understands where his father is coming from. Furthermore, when he deals with Gusto in the fight and how he is treated by him because they believe he is a sell out and they call him a “coconut” basically implying that he’s brown on the outside but white in the inside. This generation gap reminded me of last quarter’s program when we discussed the issues that Japanese American Issei and Nisei experienced. I saw some similarities with the two races of Japanese and Filipino’s experiencing similar issues.

Overall, I really enjoyed the movie and was able to draw many different connections and relate them to issues discussed in previous programs as well as being able to make personal connections. I also found it interesting to be able to see the Asian American experience through the lens of a Filipino American.

Gran Torino

Initially, the title Gran Torino struck out to me and I wondered why that was the name of the film, and even throughout the film, i kept questioning and looking for more clues to lead me into knowing the reason for the title as well. At the end of the movie, we see that in Clint Eastwood’s will he gives Thao his Gran Torino. His dog Daisy, I believe took the place of Walt after his death and was just as important to Thao as Walt was.

His plan to go to the gangs house because he knew they would kill him. I think the film did a great job with showing Walt’s growth as a person throughout the film. From the beginning he was bitter about his wife’s death and being in the war and having the weight on his shoulders of how many people he had killed in the war.

I thought it was really sad when he called his son to try and gain a closer relationship yet his son told him he was too busy and then soon after this scene I made the complete connection realizing that he wanted a closer relationship with both of his sons. Moreover, it was also important to note that while he had all these pre-judgements of his neighbors, he became closer to them than he was with his own family. One reason seemed to be because his family was very greedy and “spoiled” as he stated in the movie, it was clear they were only concerned about his possessions and the Gran Torino he owned. Yet, although he was rude to his neighbors, they still found the good in his heart and took him in as part of their family.

The quote from Thao’s sister Sue “You’re old fashioned too, but you’re American” when she was talking to Walt grabbed my attention because it made me think of issues discussed in last quarters program and how Japanese American’s had to try and fit in to western culture in order to be able to feel like they were part of the American culture. It also seemed to reveal the struggle to embrace both double identities that make up her own identity.

Furthermore, there seemed to be quite a bit of foreshadow of Walt’s death throughout the film. For instance, when he went in to the doctor, there was never an actual diagnosis to what his illness was. However, it was clear that he was ill because he continuously was coughing up blood. This seemed to be insinuating that at some point he was going to die. Then at the end of the film he was killed.

The film demonstrated Walt’s growth as an individual through the relationships he had made with the Thao and Sue and their family. Meanwhile, Thao’s character showed a lot of growth as well. Walt helped him become more of a man and he was able to fend for himself while Thao helped Walt become more sensitive and caring

Grand Torino- Thoughts and Impressions

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The film “Gran Torino” starring Clint Eastwood takes place in a Detroit neighborhood where Clint Eastwood plays a retired Ford factory worker named Walt. The Walt has continued to remain in this neighborhood as his white neighbors have moved away and have been replaced by an Asian American population, more specifically tje Hmong people who originate from the Hills of Thailand, China, and Laos.

Moving on from the setting of the film I am attracted to the change seen in Walt’s character as the movie progresses. Throughout the film he uses a plethora of dirogatory terms directed towards the Asian population surrounding him such as “zipperhead,” “gook,” and “swamp rats.” It is undeniable that Walt who is a veteran of the Korean War was a man with extreme racial prejudices. Walt lived in a time when anti-Asian sentiment was highly present. Such events as World War II and the hate expressed by the American population towards the Japanese, his own experiences in the Korean War, the war in Vietnam, and his once beautiful neighborhood beginning to be populated by the Hmong people all seem to add up to his racial feelings towards the Asian American population.

However what strikes me is these pre-formulated thoughts produced by a lifetime of experiencing Anti-Asian sentiment doesn’t change the fact that Walt is a helper and a fixer. He fixes things as a says in the film when a girl asks him what he does. So when his Hmong neighbors finnaly break down Walt’s rough exterior, you start to see him in a different light. He begins to get along with these “strangers from a different shore,” and finds, “He has more in common” with these people then his own children. So when his young Hmong neighbors Thao and his sister Sue who Walt has become fond of in his own gruff way, are threatened and tormented both physically and psychologically you see Walt stand up for them and take the role as the fixer. He fights for them throughout the movie and eventually gives his life to ensure their torment will not continue in the future.

This is important because it shows that people can change, their pre-concieved notions can be changed, and if these ideas are broken their true character can be shown. Such is the case in Walt. By shedding his ignorance towards other racial groups Walt’s personality as the fixer is displayed to the viewer.

Lee, p. 51-105

On page 52 of Lee, there is a picture of a five white people inside of an attic. One of them is a woman, laying down on a bed, smiling, with the upper half of her body propped up looking straight ahead. Next to her is another women, sitting down on a stool with her face buried in her hands. In front of them is a man laying on his back, who seems to be relaxed, with a bottle in his hand. Then inside of the attic’s doorway is a police officer holding a baton, trying to catch a seemingly younger boy. Interestingly enough, outside of the attic’s window is a view of a four story building, which contains a laundry business, a sewing machine store, a cigar manufactory, and another unidentifiable store. Inside of the unidentifiable store is a man standing with the window open, looking down as a man falls directly beneath him. As this is happening two men are walking out out of the building. And then right next to these two is a dead body on the sidewalk. So my question is; what is the meaning of this picture? Is the younger boy in the attic guilty of the person’s death? Is the woman crying the younger boys mother or sister? Or perhaps she knew the person who died? Who really committed the crime? Did the man looking at the person falling push him out of the window? Are the two men walking out of the building trying to catch the falling man? Or maybe he isn’t falling but instead is looking at the dead body? And why are two out of five people so calm in the attic?

Besides the picture, connections between the reading and the film 47 Ronin can be made. For example, on page 82 “Despite his intelligence and beauty, his half-breed racial status makes him a permanent outcast and dooms him to a life of criminality. Of the terrible product of “miscegenation,” Beck concludes, “In all fairness, such a man is better dead.” First of all I want to break this quote down. Let’s start with the first sentence. Actor Keanu Reeves, aka Kai in the film, is a “half-breed,” is intelligent, many of Reeve’s fans find him “beautiful,” and so does his love interest, and because he is a half-breed/raised by demons, he is doomed to forever be an outcast and criminal. Like when Kai was smart enough to know how to kill the creature at the beginning of the film, he got no credit for it because the man who witnessed his accomplishment did not want to admit his own incompetence. Or when there is no samurai to fight in the arena, Kai with persuasion from Chikara, fills in the empty spot. Unfortunately when his samurai head gear falls off the audience then knows it was Kai fighting all along. Despite Kai’s bravery and loyalty, he is severely punished like a criminal, simply because he is an outcast. Now looking at the second sentence, there were many times throughout the first half of the film where someone told Kai he should have never been saved, or allowed to live.